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l_b_rex
10-13-2009, 10:48 AM
Last night I was in a 5k Guaranteed tourny turbo. There were 294 players left from about 1000. 9 player tables.

Blinds 2000/4000
My stack: 12,000
Im on the button with :ks::5d:
Action is folded to me.
I bet 10,000 (I meant to hit allin but missed)
SB - folds
BB with 30,000 reraises allin
I call

Me::ks::5d:
Him: :jd::qs:

:7c::9s::2c::4d::qd:

I lose in 294


I know I shoulda went allin, but did he make a good call?
I don't think he did. He probably thought I was trying to steal the blinds, which I was but did he make the correct play on me?


Sorry Jim. I had the blinds incorroect. Now does your opinion chage?

kentucky_jim
10-13-2009, 12:01 PM
Last night I was in a 5k Guaranteed tourny turbo. There were 294 players left from about 1000. 9 player tables.

Blinds 1000/2000
My stack: 12,000
Im on the button with :ks::5d:
Action is folded to me.
I bet 10,000 (I meant to hit allin but missed)
SB - folds
BB with 30,000 reraises allin
I call

Me::ks::5d:
Him: :jd::qs:

:7c::9s::2c::4d::qd:

I lose in 294


I know I shoulda went allin, but did he make a good call?
I don't think he did. He probably thought I was trying to steal the blinds, which I was but did he make the correct play on me?

I don't quite understand why you chose this hand to make a stand you are on the button and have a whole other round to find a much better hand to go with any hand connected or suited is going to give you better odds of winning then this one. You could have made a stop and go play by just calling and with what they showed most likely would have just called you then push after the flop it would have made your hand look much better.

l_b_rex
10-13-2009, 02:49 PM
I need to mention over half the table had 40,000 chips or more. I thought this was a good chance to make my move to pick up 6,000 chips which is a great addition to my 12,000. I like the input and it may have worked. I just couldn't see me stealing blinds against any of the other players and King on BB is not bad with no callers ahead of me. Maybe I should've just folded...I will wait for more ideas.

Sorry Jim. Blinds were 2000/4000.

PokerGob
10-13-2009, 08:01 PM
There comes a time in a tourney when you are low stacked that you have to make a move. The fact that you only had to beat two players was in your favor and from a stand point of timing, the idea of pushing here was a good one but the hand is so bad. I might wait and push with any "Twenty Hand" before the blinds get to me. Based on your chip stack, I would be hoping for a call and looking to double or triple. I don't think you should be thinking steal the blinds, therefore I would go with a better hand, you don't really have enough "fear equity" to get anyone to fold.

You may have had more chips earlier to get people to fold, but with the blinds as high as they are, hmmm. The BB in this hand was a little reckless, but they did have a "Twenty" so in a way, I don't fault them for their play. They were thinking the same thing you were and the timing was in both of your favor.

meph
10-14-2009, 12:05 AM
To push or not to push, if you didn't want a call, you played it wrong, if you wanted a call you played it right, but I don't think you wanted a call with K5?

l_b_rex
10-15-2009, 02:59 PM
With the Blinds 2000/4000 do you still think I made a bad move? I figured if I wait anohter hand then I would push and be called by one of the big stacks. I felt this was a good chance to steal blinds. I figured K high would likely be the best hand with just the BB with 30000 left. I didn't want the call but I did have the best starting hand...barely :)

Sorry about the errors in my post...I have since corrected the blinds amount.

PokerGob
10-15-2009, 03:19 PM
I don't think you're going to be able to steal the blinds here. There's a term called "fear equity" and in this situation you had very little fear equity. I would agree with Meph here. I think when you're pushing in this situation, you want to be called. K5 is probably a favorite over the blinds a lot of times, but you may have had a chance to have pushed earlier than this hand. Do you recall any times that you probably could have pushed?

You're thinking was right to push with what could have been the best hand, but if you were thinking that the blinds would fold that was wrong. I think only the worst players or most passive players on the BB would fold in the situation, it was too good an opportunity for the BB, can't be raised all in, can't be knocked out if they lose and they also figure that they have about a 60/40 proposition.

I just checked the PokerGob Calculator (http://www.pokergob.com/pokermath/), it was 57/43 and against any random Ace it is close to the same and if your cards are suited about 60/40.

FinalTable
10-15-2009, 03:25 PM
Maybe the BB put you on a low pair was willing to take the chance with :qd::jc: and hoping to hit his pair and your wouldn't set. I'm not sure. Maybe he just called because he doesn't like people stealing his blinds.

I see lots of people who are short stacked going all-in with a small pair. That would have been my reasoning for calling you.

l_b_rex
10-15-2009, 09:03 PM
Everything makes sense. There definitely was not a better start hand in the near past. I am never afraid to put all my chips in with a reasonable hand.

pjr54
10-16-2009, 10:06 PM
Frankly I would have waited for a better hand than that. It was just to high risk to me.

Mott
11-03-2009, 04:36 AM
I need to mention over half the table had 40,000 chips or more. I thought this was a good chance to make my move to pick up 6,000 chips which is a great addition to my 12,000. I like the input and it may have worked. I just couldn't see me stealing blinds against any of the other players and King on BB is not bad with no callers ahead of me. Maybe I should've just folded...I will wait for more ideas.

Sorry Jim. Blinds were 2000/4000.

i think it makes sence to make such a move from the button.
there is a good chance he would fold and if he doesn't you are still a 55/45 favorite (tough break at the river)

FinalTable
11-09-2009, 10:52 PM
After going back and reading this, I would have to agree with KentuckyJim on this one, and I hope that I would do, what I also think would be the right thing, is to fold. The one reason that I say this, I watched Jim go deep into a big tournament, towards the end with 25 people left. I saw Jim fold blind after blind and down to somewhere around 1,000 in chips or even less than that probably. Only to come back to 16k. and keep fighting. Why? He made the right moves on the right blinds. And folding the bad ones.

I felt that I gain a lot of experience, watching Jim play in this tournament. It was awesome to see someone extend their game by not falling to poor card choices. I would take the time to watch a good player or a friend. It might do wonders for your gmae.