SNG Question

[mannyfest]

You're on the button in a SNG and the blinds are 100/200 you have pocket sevens and 2,000 in chips. A UTG player raises to 800, you consider this player somewhat aggressive but not a maniac, what would you do if there were 6 players left?

[Iron_Henry]

Fold if there are 6 players left but I thought we were on the button.

With the same chip stack and blind levels, you should be looking to push 7s on the button only if everyone before you has folded.

'Fold equity' is very important with hands like this. Fold equity is the added value you get when you're the raiser because your opponents could fold with a better or similar hand.

'First in vigorish' is the other factor involved in this hand. 'First in vigorish' means that you get added value by being the first to raise a pot. Once someone raises, they feel more committed to the pot and more obligated to call you if you re-raise them. Although sevens is not a bad hand, it is one where you will most likely want your opponents to fold (at best, you will usually be only slight favorite to win the hand against one opponent - worse against multiple opponents - at worst you will be facing an overpair and will be a massive underdog).

This means that, to play this hand, you will need to have both fold equity and first in vigorish on your side. In this circumstance, you do not. Fold.

Side note: occasionally you should push all-in but it really depends on your deeper understanding of how the game is going and what your opponents are capable of.

[PokerGob]

I once chatted with Victor Ramdin about a similar situation, he said, "I would rather be the first all in with 77 then calling an all in with it."

If you were to just call you misplayed the hand, your best chance of winning is pushing and hoping they fold. I agree with Iron_Henry to fold and all his points, unless you have significant evidence otherwise dump it all in baby!

[bleedingear]

If you were to just call you misplayed the hand, your best chance of winning is pushing and hoping they fold. I agree with Iron_Henry to fold and all his points, unless you have significant evidence otherwise dump it all in baby!

He's never folding to a shove. Unless hes a donk.

[bleedingear]

But obv fold. You wanna be fta with a low/middle pp,

[PokerGob]

I am not sure I understand what you mean? A good player always calls an all in? or a donk would call?

[bleedingear]

I mean he has just bet 800 into a pot of 300 so 1100 in the pot. You are raising him 1200 with your shove.
He is already committed and has to call with almost atc. Unless he is a donk, or has a really good read on you.

[Iron_Henry]

I agree with you. If he raised with a hand that would fold to an all in re-raise, he is a donk.

[mannyfest]

Fold if there are 6 players left but I thought we were on the button.

To clarify. There are 6 players left in the SNG.

[luvweed]

I fold this, May be a pushable hand(1st to raise) but not one I would call with

[Dacooler]

I would go all in. The blinds are getting big and your stack small. It is time to make a move.

[PokerGob]

Dacooler,

The raiser may want you to make that move, but I understand your point about the blinds. I think I would fold and try to get into a spot where I am the first one to put the raise in.

It's a tough spot to be in.

[Dacooler]

No your right I was having a bad day when I posted that.

If it was me I would fold. Like someone else said I would go all in if on the button alone, to try and pick up the blinds. Then wait until I had a stronger hand to make a move if my blind steal worked. The only dangerous thing I have found is what Henry said the fold equity goes down the longer you wait. If you wait to long no one will have the incentive or the respect for you to fold. It definitely takes timing and some moves to stay out of this trouble. Sometimes the cards just don't come and the moves just don't work either.

Just a pic from a game where I folded sevens recently...not the same situation though .I cutoff my screen name...im in the middle.

http://www.pokergob.com/file/pic/gallery/404_view.jpg

[mannyfest]

Looks like a good fold!

[kentucky_jim]

Simple "fold"

[pokergobette]

In an unraised pot this isn't a terrible flop for sevens. However in this case, I am assuming that there was raising both pre-flop and heavy betting after the flop. Sevens must fold! :D

[mannyfest]

There is a flush draw and an ace on the flop...not terrible?

[Dacooler]

I folded preflop with sevens

[pokergobette]

There is a flush draw and an ace on the flop...not terrible?

Agreed but in an unraised pot, you may try to represent the Ace. If the flush comes down or you are called/raised you can take it from there, i.e. FOLD to any more action! :D

[mannyfest]

Agreed but in an unraised pot, you may try to represent the Ace. If the flush comes down or you are called/raised you can take it from there, i.e. FOLD to any more action! :D

This thread is about calling/facing an all in with pocket sevens. If you were caught in the middle with this hand and was the first to raise and be called and had enough chips to represent the Ace, then yes, fire a shell and move on after facing an all in after the flop.

It looks like Dacooler's hand went like this:

:ah: :jh: raised. He folded and the :as: :qd: may have pushed or...

:ah: :jh: raised, he flat called then :as: :qd: raised all in and :ah: :jh: called because they were pot committed or short stacked.

Or something like that... there was no time to represent the Ace because the chip stacks were limited and the blinds were high.

What ya think?

[pokergobette]

Point taken.

I went off topic there for a minute...

[PokerOrifice]

You're on the button in a SNG and the blinds are 100/200 you have pocket sevens and 2,000 in chips. A UTG player raises to 800, you consider this player somewhat aggressive but not a maniac, what would you do if there were 6 players left?

How big was his stack???
I'd fold here.... with his raise being quite large from utg I'm guessing he's on TT or JJ. I'd fold here for sure. Although you're only on 10bb's, I'm assuming this isn't too bad considering how many players are still left. I'm looking for a spot where I can get my chips in first and not to be calling or shoving (with an obvious call, due to his large preflop raise pricing him in no matter what).
If I were in utg with the 7-7 and once again only being on 10bb's... I'd still fold in this scenario. With that many players still in and blinds already this high, I'm guessing I'll be getting called here for sure.

[PokerGob]

Assuming he has more chips then your 2,000 I think this is a good fold for the 7s here for the same reasons described by PokerOrifice. I might just dump all in UTG with 77 hoping not to get called.