What would you do?

[cadamsjr]

Playing an online tournament the other day and this happens. Im not sure I made the right call or it wouldn't still be in my head being analyzed.

(suits are for show and have no bearing on this hand)

Im in the BB ($100) and hold a :4c::7s:. Middle position calls, position next to him calls and the others fold around to the SB who folds. I check and the flop is something like :kh::5s::6c:. The middle position guy bets the pot into me. I think about it for a second. If he is holding either :ad::kd:, :kc::qc: or even :kd::ks: he has me now and only an 8 or 3 can help. I elect to fold into the bet which was roughly 3 times the BB. The next guy calls and the turn is....:8h: River didn't help either player.

Showdown: The caller turns over... DUN DUN DUN.... another :4s::7c:

Did I make a good lay down? Did he make a loose call? How would you have played it?

The pot odds for that bet would've been 2 to 1 correct?

3outOf5

[PokerGob]

Well there is $350 in the pot and he bet $350...so there is now $700 in the pot and it is $350 to call. This means it is 2 to 1...you need a 33% chance to win to make this call. You had 8 outs (any 3 or 8)...using the Rule of 4&2 you would have a 32% chance to improve to a straight, you had the proper odds to call. I think you could have called here and at the very least seen a turn. I may add that losing chips in an unraised pot is a cardinal sin...I hate doing it. Don't be result oriented that the turn was an 8. In order to be a winning player every once in a while you have to fold a winning hand. If you expected that the other player would also call his bet, then you had more than the right price to call. It's a bummer you folded...

Depends on what the images are of the player in middle positions, I might have actually bet $200 into the pot to see if I could buy the turn for cheaper. You may also be able to pick up the pot right there too. He could have limped with some junk and was trying to catch.

[cadamsjr]

I got to limp into the pot with the BB not being challenged with cards I would normally not play. I figured, if I called and missed it on the turn than I had just wasted 3 and a half more blinds to call with medium strength hands later to hopefully see flops with. So by folding a mediocre hand I allowed myself to play a few more better hands in hopes of taking down more chips.

I agree with what you said about the 8 hitting the turn. Too many times we see our cards hit after we fold and it creeps into your head. If I had only made that call once... What we don't always remember is the amount of times we folded and our cards never hit on the turn or the river and those chips we would've been out of had we chased.

I like to leave the chasing for the donkeys unless I am able to quickly do the math in my head and see that I am getting pot odds to make the call. Only problem with that is in online play the timers from site to site vary and too many times I either time out doing the math in my head (newbie to stats) or make a hasty call because I figured wrong in my head.

[PokerGob]

I got to limp into the pot with the BB not being challenged with cards I would normally not play. I figured, if I called and missed it on the turn than I had just wasted 3 and a half more blinds to call with medium strength hands later to hopefully see flops with. So by folding a mediocre hand I allowed myself to play a few more better hands in hopes of taking down more chips.

This would be like saying I didn't want to raise again or play a hand because I already played a few hands and didn't think I was going to win again...this was a missed opportunity. You already had chips in the pot...your decisions as a poker player is to make the best possible decision with the cards you are dealt every time you are dealt cards...do I think you should chase every draw, no! Do I think that this was a legit draw yes...with experieince you will be able o recognize these opportunities quicker...playing draws isn't playing badly it is part of the game...if you chased a gut buster here or over committed to the hand, well then maybe I would say donk...but I think this hand was worth a stab for at the very least a turn card.

[PokerGob]

I'd like to see what UnluckBox thinks of this...

[cadamsjr]

I just need a program for online play that tells me what to do and is right 100% of the time HAHA

actually, can I just run it. It picks the games, registers, plays/wins for me and I go around the worlds spending the money it makes?

[Peach46]

I Agree With You Cadamsjr, I Also Need A Program Lol... I Have Yet To Figure
The # Outs And The Pot Odds,if Anyone Knows Of Anything To Help With This Please Let Me Know....helpppp

[PokerGob]

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[PokerGob]

I just need a program for online play that tells me what to do and is right 100% of the time HAHA

actually, can I just run it. It picks the games, registers, plays/wins for me and I go around the worlds spending the money it makes?

Believe it or not poker bots do exist and people do use them online. When I used to play online at Ultimate Bet I was watching a player play about 10 tables at a time...he once folded all 10 hands simultaneously...he played for days straight I can't recall his name exactly but I do remember it was jonathan## I always loved playing against him because he was very predictable...and even enjoyed his failed bluffs...he was 100% a bot...

[PokerGob]

Let's stay on topic in this thread though...if anyone wants to make a pokerbot post feel free to do so...we already have a Poker Calculator post check it by clicking here (http://www.pokergob.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88)

[meph]

ok i think it was a pretty large misplay here on your part cas. i hate to say it buddy, but you made a couple of mistakes that led to a bad laydown and i will outline them here.
1. ok gob makes a point that losing money to a pot that you have nothing commited to is silly, however you put the middle posistion player on a range of hands that it makes no sense for him to have. ace king or kings is extremely unlikely in his spot unless he really likes to lose money. a raise in posistion with either of those two hands is mandatory to open. when he fires on the flop he could easily have a draw or most likely a weak to medium king. the player ahead of you is a little disconcerting, but if you call and he raises, well you junk your draw and your out three hundred, not a huge loss and you still have time to get it back if your chip stack is decent.
2. this is a great board for your hand!! you will not see much better boards than three to a suit , no counter fit to you draw except the gutter 7 9. your implied odds were so good here that you could easily have peeled off a card on the turn. if you hit it, your probably getting paid if the bettor has any kind of a piece.
while i like your thinking, and at least you didnt just insta call with no thought to as why, i think you over anylyzed this hand my friend. sometimes simplicity truly is the best way to go. another play i might have suggestede in this spot was a large raise after the bettors lead. unless he had a very strong hand, he might just lay down. even if he does have top pair and calls. you will now control the pace of the hand and if you dont hit on turn, you will most likely have bought yourself a free river to see if you hit. good luck next time, everybody makes mistakes! until next time sports fans, may the poker gods rain their blessings upon you.... wait a minute!!! that's not rain!! - theunluckbox